This is the Creed at my new job, the Henderson Unit of Boys and Girls Club of America. It's on the back of the ID cards that the kids have to wear around their necks every day they're at the club.
I believe in God and the right to worship according to my own faith and religion. I believe in America and the American way of life... in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I believe in fair play, honesty and sportsmanship. I believe in my Boys and Girls Club, which stands for all these things.
The right to worship according to my own faith? Really? But... as long as it fits with the I believe in God, right? So I believe in God and I can worship according to my own faith... that's right? That's what you're saying, BGCA? Cause that makes no damn sense!
I'm so much more disappointed than you could ever imagine. I cannot stand for this religious propaganda! I will not stand for it!
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The name "Teh Juggernauts" comes from the original group who decided to marry their efforts together in Fall of '07 at Missouri State University. It is what we jokingly (or in stark seriousness, you decide) called ourselves after making the news or after successfully defending our ideas.
Some of the entries here will consist of us just being silly, but many of them will contain the fruits of our research and/or the logical justification for why we believe the things we do. Ideas are not owned by anybody and, as such, you may feel free to use anything you read here - though if you'd link to us in some form or fashion in exchange, that would be excellent.
Enjoy.
Who Are Teh Juggernauts?
Ryan:
Ryan is the angry one. He argues as eloquently as he is able until he gets frustrated with people ignoring his logic and changing the subject; then he whips it out and blatantly mocks mo'fuggas. One time, Ryan beat up a velociraptor.
Amber:
Amber is the researcher. She will tell you why you are wrong and back it up with citations. She is grueling away in a doctoral program in Experimental Psychology at University of Arkansas. Her soft spot for reason and logic has led to a intelligence paraphilia. Her other hobbies include talking about sex and dumpster diving.
JT:
If the question concerns science or the rejection of god, JT will likely be unable to resist weighing in. JT co-founded the MSU Chapter of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, which he lead for a year. He also started the MSU Atheist Alliance. JT has had letters and guest columns published in several newspapers, including the Standard and the Arkansas Democrat Gazette. In the Fall of 2007, JT was a panelist for the MSU Open Forum on Faith.
Lauren:
Lauren is the resident badass of the group. She is responsible for making the others part of the most kickass shenanigans her retardedly awesome mind can come up with. An art major at MSU, she spends most of her time making pretty pretty FSM inspired pictures to get people talking about religion and life in general. Additionally, she has been classically trained to rock your fuckin' socks off. Give 'em a taste, LA.
Carly:
Carly is the sweet one. She videoblogs and composes music. Despite her tendency to care less about working on her debating skills than the rest of the group, Carly does feel very strongly about many of the issues that this blog intends to address. She acts as a visual record keeper for the numerous actions of the group, which are posted in video form at RobotSushi Publishing. She also produces the online sex show Beautiful Flower and Penis, which features the other members of the gang. She was there the day Ryan beat up that velociraptor.
Ryan is the angry one. He argues as eloquently as he is able until he gets frustrated with people ignoring his logic and changing the subject; then he whips it out and blatantly mocks mo'fuggas. One time, Ryan beat up a velociraptor.
Amber:
Amber is the researcher. She will tell you why you are wrong and back it up with citations. She is grueling away in a doctoral program in Experimental Psychology at University of Arkansas. Her soft spot for reason and logic has led to a intelligence paraphilia. Her other hobbies include talking about sex and dumpster diving.
JT:
If the question concerns science or the rejection of god, JT will likely be unable to resist weighing in. JT co-founded the MSU Chapter of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, which he lead for a year. He also started the MSU Atheist Alliance. JT has had letters and guest columns published in several newspapers, including the Standard and the Arkansas Democrat Gazette. In the Fall of 2007, JT was a panelist for the MSU Open Forum on Faith.
Lauren:
Lauren is the resident badass of the group. She is responsible for making the others part of the most kickass shenanigans her retardedly awesome mind can come up with. An art major at MSU, she spends most of her time making pretty pretty FSM inspired pictures to get people talking about religion and life in general. Additionally, she has been classically trained to rock your fuckin' socks off. Give 'em a taste, LA.
Carly:
Carly is the sweet one. She videoblogs and composes music. Despite her tendency to care less about working on her debating skills than the rest of the group, Carly does feel very strongly about many of the issues that this blog intends to address. She acts as a visual record keeper for the numerous actions of the group, which are posted in video form at RobotSushi Publishing. She also produces the online sex show Beautiful Flower and Penis, which features the other members of the gang. She was there the day Ryan beat up that velociraptor.
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Hypocrisy? Referring to yourself? You don't have to work there. Get another job if you don't like it.
Carly,
Where does the funding for The Boys and Girls Club come from?? I know for a fact that the Boys and Girls Club near my parent's is on public land.
Anyways... I am really sorry that you are running into this. I wish you the best of luck with it.
**hug**
-Amber
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Might see if there's anything you'd find handy.
I think the real battle would be proving to them that "believing in God" isn't a "bona fide occupational qualification reasonably necessary to the normal operation of that particular business or enterprise." There's probably a good amount of ground you can make. Maybe nobody felt like challenging it before; it obviously shouldn't be legal for an organization to sign you up to a set of beliefs without your consent. Haha, might as well, if you don't feel like working under such circumstances.
And to the anonymous poster, getting another job would just mean another to fill her vacant shoes, who likely would just keep working, not giving a thought to what the back of the card demands of them. Just leaving is an option, but it's a cowardly one.
"Anonymous",
Wow. Way to be a bit snarky.
If you note, she wrote "at my new job". As in it is Monday evening, and she just got off work. From her first day.
I don't know where The Boys and Girls Club recieves funding from, but I do know that The Boys and Girls Club near my parent's is located on public land, or land that was annexed from the public park. There is this little thing, the first amendment, that kinda urges us to keep Church and State seperate.
Still, I think the larger problem is that the Boys and Girls Club is set up to help children who are struggling to find a safe haven. What this pledge does is support and instill children with strong beliefs in fairy tales from an early age. Adults, especially those within the educational system, should be responsible for teaching children about the world around them, and providing them with a sense of justice and concern for the human experience.
Carly has just started a new job, and suddenly she has been put in a position of supporting the religious indoctrination of young children, most of which have no choice but to participate in the Boys and Girls Club.
I can personally vouch that Carly was incredibly excited about this job. She is about to spend the entire summer teaching music to kids who might not have the chance have such an experience otherwise.
The problem is that this pledge, which she was not told about during the hiring process, puts her in a position of authority in a system that forces these children to believe in a mythical beast that has no valid support, and inadvertently places her in a position of authority where she must implicitly support such a pledge.
-Amber Culbertson-Faegre
Anonymous -
Hypocrisy referring to the creed. It's hypocritical in itself. Stating "I believe in God" closely followed by "I believe in the right to worship according to my own faith and religion" is contradictory.
Amber,
To answer your question on funding, BGCA is a private non-profit organization. They're located next to a park, which is public property, but most of their funding comes from donations.
-C
Oh, I found something on the BGC-Springfield site -
"The Club is non-sectarian in management and membership."
http://www.bgclubspringfield.org/who_we_are.asp
Doesn't that prove that believing in God isn't an occupational requirement?
This is Just C-F. I need to get a blogspot account just so that I can comment here unanonymously.
Anyway, Carly's original post stated that the children had the ID cards, not the workers. If I read that right, this means that they aren't holding HER to any beliefs.
Also, I thought that the gub'ment sold BGCA a piece of the park. I might be wrong about that, but if I'm right then this shouldn't be a legal conflict.
It's not that I like what they're doing, it's just that I don't see any problems so far as legality goes... but once again, I could be wrong.
-Justin
This is Just C-F. I need to get a blogspot account just so that I can comment here unanonymously.
Anyway, Carly's original post stated that the children had the ID cards, not the workers. If I read that right, this means that they aren't holding HER to any beliefs.
Also, I thought that the gub'ment sold BGCA a piece of the park. I might be wrong about that, but if I'm right then this shouldn't be a legal conflict.
It's not that I like what they're doing, it's just that I don't see any problems so far as legality goes... but once again, I could be wrong.
-Justin
This is Just C-F. I need to get a blogspot account just so that I can comment here unanonymously.
Anyway, Carly's original post stated that the children had the ID cards, not the workers. If I read that right, this means that they aren't holding HER to any beliefs.
Also, I thought that the gub'ment sold BGCA a piece of the park. I might be wrong about that, but if I'm right then this shouldn't be a legal conflict.
It's not that I like what they're doing, it's just that I don't see any problems so far as legality goes... but once again, I could be wrong.
-Justin
Oh shitz! I thought it wasn't posting! Sorry...
-Justin
I don't get why you are all arguing! I love Jesus so much!
BALLS DEEP ON JESUS!
Go ahead and teach the kids music and be loving and kind to them. That's what you went there to do, correct? That is what they need the most. These are hurting young people who will be hurt even more by controversy. They will make up their own minds about the tags and their beliefs when they are older no matter what the tags say, just as you have. For them it is a very minor issue. For you it is a biggie. They go there and play and have fun. Their parents know what is going on and are okay with it. Have any of the kids objected to the tags?
Many kids go to catholic schools, for example, because of the quality of the education, including, protestant, jewish and athiest students. They have to go to church services while in school and they have to pay for their education. Almost none of them convert to catholicism. They accept what the group requires because they want the perks. Your B&G club kids will be the same way. Every job will have an upside and a downside. If nobody takes it seriously but you, are you going to let it ruin an opportunity to do what you love?
If you do not believe God is real, why do you worry about it at all? It makes no more sense than worrying about saying they believe in Santa Claus,the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy as part of their creed. Rituals go with those beliefs too and people spend tons of money on them. It's just capitalistic propoganda.
Stay calm. You are writing more like you believe in God and are mad at him than that you do not believe in him. If he doesn't exist, there is no big issue. Many people's gods are themselves or money or something like sports.
The problem with comparing the Easter Bunny and the like to God is that there is no Bunny and we all agree on that. We teach kids that the Bunny doesn't exist when we feel it's time. However, we don't all agree that God doesn't exist so we don't teach that to kids. You're assuming that these kids will grow up and find out for themselves whether or not God exists. But if they don't take the time to do that, they'll just go by what they remember being taught the most about God. As far as BGCA goes, that will be "I believe in God".
Justin C-F,
You don't have to have a blogger account necessarily, just click "Name/URL" below the 'Leave a comment' box and you can enter a name so it won't be anonymous.
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